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hey everybody hope you're having a great

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day we are chatting with a brilliant

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mind today we've got Earl Gray Anderson

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on the show this guy is a musician he's

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a nurse uh he is a state director for

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mufon he's an experiencer his mom worked

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for some top secret stuff for the

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government like it seems no matter which

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rabbit hole we want to go down today

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we're not going to be hurting for Choice

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Jay I don't think so he's uh definitely

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an intelligent man like you said like

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and it's a pattern isn't it Louie that

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you know it's always intelligent people

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that are contactees or researchers it's

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not the the way they used to do it back

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in the 80s or they would show like some

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slack jaw Yokel in the back field no

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sign I saw an alien it's actually really

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intelligent people and it would make

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sense too if you want to come and abduct

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our people you want the brightest the

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biggest and best right you're not going

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to come for the the lesser of the

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species you're gonna come for the best

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at this don't go for the run so you go

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for the the top of the list yeah right

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and you know these high name high

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profile guys a lot of them are the most

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humble people that we can and talk to

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the guys that know the most are the most

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humbled by the experience it's the ones

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that think they know it all and they're

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the quote-unquote Messiahs Messiahs of

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disclosure those are the people you got

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to watch and we know who they are we see

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their shows too we read all the same

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stuff on UFO Twitter that you guys do we

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just we keep to ourselves we do our own

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thing we keep it fact-based so let's

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jump jump down the rabbit hole today

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um Jay we got lots to ask and uh we'll

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run our music here we'll be right back

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with Mr Earl Gray Anderson right here on

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my best buddy Jason

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Gilman hey another weekend that we get

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to talk uaps and UFOs with Legends in

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the field and great researchers I you

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know we're so spoiled we got to do this

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Louie absolutely we kind of take it for

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granted but it's just like yeah let's

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just get the state director for Southern

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California here from mufon sure we know

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him we can get him on the show and we uh

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we are very uh blessed to have earl gray

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with us today as I mentioned he is the

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muffon state director of Southern

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California uh has appeared on numerous

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TV radio film in fact he was on a recent

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ancient aliens episode uh he is a former

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vocational nurse as well from what I

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read and uh he's also a published

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musician he's got like three CD albums

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to his credit so a guy with many talents

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he's got some cool stuff in the

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background I want to ask him about later

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in the show too so but first uh welcome

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to the show Earl it's great to have you

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brother thank you I'm I'm happy to be

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here you guys yeah we are always Leah

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mufon friendly we have lots of move on

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people on on here and they all tell us

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different things and everyone has still

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their own individual experience even

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while doing the same Collective things

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and that's pretty cool so for those who

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don't know you I mean you're pretty busy

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you're doing three four shows a week

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sometimes in various channels and

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podcasts and you're like the traveling

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Earl Gray show uh but tell us a bit

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about yourself and what got you into the

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whole world of ufology hmm you want you

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want the origin story right let's have

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it yeah yeah the Peter Parker version we

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get right into it we don't dance around

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the table we'll give you the everything

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to Bagel the full monty if you followed

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um well I I we were talking a little bit

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about this before we went on air

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um my mom back in the 1950s she worked

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for Howard Hughes as one of his

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secretaries

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facility which was the uh it was Hughes

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aircraft that he had the movie studio

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and he had other various uh offices but

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but this was uh he was usually there he

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had an office that was next to my mom's

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but they they would communicate over an

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intercom system because he was a

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germaphobe all that stuff in the movie

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The Aviator that was true and that was

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um but he trusted my mom for some reason

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a lot of the secretaries that he got he

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would you tend to hire Mormons or people

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that didn't drink smoke or you know he

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felt he wanted people that he could

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and my mom had a background in law

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enforcement from back when she was a a

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girl in in Iowa Muscatine Iowa is where

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um and she uh they deputized her more or

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less so they had somebody to put people

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into the drunk tank over the weekend

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so that was my mom's first real job you

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know she was I think she was about 18 I

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think she was I mean she would have had

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to have been I think to be deputized

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yeah but um I think if that helped her

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get a foot in the door there and it was

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no this was no news I mean we all knew

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that Mom worked for Hughes and and when

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she gave birth to me she she retired and

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became she thought she became a

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housewife but she she later on went into

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uh as a Headhunter for the aerospace

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companies

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three uh I was five years old I'll never

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forget this uh we sat down for breakfast

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our cheery little kitchenette and uh

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Venice California and yellow paint on

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the walls and it was just this bright

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room and and we sat down and my mom

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started talking to me as though she were

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talking to another adult

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um she said you know son when I was

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working for Howard Hughes a really weird

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thing happened

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um she said that they they took they

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took me out to the middle of nowhere

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with a little security team a couple of

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guys

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and uh and all there was was just the

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desert and this concrete Shack is what

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she called it like a bunker

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um and she wondered why they took her

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out to the middle of nowhere to look at

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a tool Shack or you know where they kept

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their tractors yeah it didn't look like

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so but they unlocked this thing and they

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took her in and there is an elevator and

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she said that she got in the elevator

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she thought maybe we'd go down a floor

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yeah well it kept going down and and Mom

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said well I felt butterflies in my

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stomach I mean this it was going she

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said that it went a mile below the

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desert floor wow

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and she said when the door is open that

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there was a little city Down Under the

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Desert a lot of scientists were working

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down there uh they got around in golf

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carts

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um she said that there were cafes she

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mentioned one that had yellow umbrellas

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over the tables and she laughed because

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she said you don't need an umbrella in a

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cave

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uh but she you know she she then

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expressed well it was it was to make

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people feel comfortable you know people

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were down there for long periods of time

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and she mentioned that they had a barber

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shop and that they had a guy there that

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could do her hair for her that's crazy I

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know and then she sort of addended this

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all with oh and by the way son so you

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know I was working with you know German

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rocket scientists it was a redstone

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program was going on and she said uh but

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UFOs and extraterrestrial life is real

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and and we knew that way back then and

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she said the government knows that

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they're never going to tell everybody

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they're they're afraid of how people

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that was the end of the conversation and

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and I I you know I went off to

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so years later I mean I always had that

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you know I always had that and I held on

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to that memory and I remember it still

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today like I remember you know having

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breakfast this morning it's that you

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know those early memories just tend to

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cling to you

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um so back and forth grade uh we had a

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show and tell day what do your parents

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and I went up there and I talked about

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my dad's landscaping business

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and then I talked about my mom I talked

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about the underground uh city under the

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desert and UFOs are real oh so the

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teacher called my mom in for a

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parent-teacher conference

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and I was out there playing on the swing

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sets uh it was maybe I don't know it

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seems like it was out you know like four

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in the afternoon or something at this

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point and my mom is driving me home and

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she looks really concerned and she

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looked at me and she said son I'm not

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angry at you because I didn't tell you

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that you couldn't talk about this stuff

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and then she looked at me and she said

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how did you remember that you were just

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a baby

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and she was just looked horrified and

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she's trying to drive you know and still

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talk to me and be you know rational and

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not angry about it which I appreciate

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you know and then I'm older and I think

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about it

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um so she said you know some people

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don't know about cities Under the Desert

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they don't know about UFOs and they

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don't know about aliens and you can't

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talk about that I I thought that you

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were too young that you would never

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remember what I told you and but to my

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horror you you you're telling your class

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yeah and your teachers know and she said

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your mom could get into really bad

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trouble your mom could actually go to

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prison if you talk about this son

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and um and that laid the foundation for

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my interest in ufology and you know it

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was like from from birth somehow and I

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always it seems like you know my mom

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said once she said you know you were

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down there too Earl and I is like what

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what do you mean I was down there she

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said the little city under the desert I

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was pregnant with you and and I was I

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was still working there so technically

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you you went down that's got the image

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to picture as well just a pregnant lady

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in a bunker underneath the desert where

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possibly aliens were captured some sort

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of Technology that's just crazy what an

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image she never mentioned working with

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aliens you know she just mentioned it

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was a real thing and you know I tried to

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get her to talk more I mean 1977 after

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Star Wars black she she one more time I

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got disclosure you know she said you

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have no idea how close the truth that

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movie is and you know the spaceships the

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different races

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um but they're never going to tell the

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public they're afraid of how people are

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going to react

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and that and then on her death bed you

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know I mean she wasn't gonna tell me

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more and I was hoping she would but she

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confirmed that what she told me was true

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and so when she passed away that was the

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end of my the possibility of getting my

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my golden ticket of disclosure as she

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was gone she didn't leave any documents

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so uh that's that's when I you know

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started

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um researching the phenomenon for myself

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just kind of reading every bit of

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literature I got my hands on

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and everybody was contradicting each

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other and this guy says he's absolutely

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correct and this guy says no that guy is

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wrong and I'm so I decided the only way

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to do this is to go Hands-On then the

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one name that kept popping up in from

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book to book to show to periodical was

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mufon the mutual UFO Network

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um and I you know did a little study on

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them they they when Project Blue Book

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closed their doors in 1969 Buffon opened

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theirs and we've been doing the Air

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Force's job ever since

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and that's that's how I got here you

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guys I've seen that on mufon t-shirts

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before I think that's awesome

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I want that shirt I don't think they

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print that one anymore it's a good one

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so from the early onset your mom tells

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you quite bombshell about reality saying

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that you know she wasn't hiding anything

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from you which is good I mean you know

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when we had our kids were little they're

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not so little now but we were dead

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serious about never telling that the

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Tooth Fairy was real that Santa Claus

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was real right because you're teaching

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that it's okay to believe in something

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and then have it cut off from you and

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not being real right my dad sounds like

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that too maybe oh really a lot of in

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Santa Claus or the you know tooth fairy

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or any of that yeah yeah but just

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telling your kids honestly look this

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might be the reality that we're in and

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it I wouldn't say indoctrinates but it

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does allow the child to keep an open

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mind saying that isn't this possibly

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real that says this is An Occurrence I

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think we we teach our kids or condition

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our kids to stop looking at this stuff

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as as valid and to dismiss it if it

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doesn't fit the mold of what Society

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tells you is reality right so it's good

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on your mom for for being honest with

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you right

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I've had uh since I uh joined mufon it

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hasn't been a regular occurrence but a

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couple of times I've had like a couple

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people from the dod uh most recently uh

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and and he is a guy he is a DOD

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operative

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and he told me you know Earl I've read

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your mom's bio I said your mom did not

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lie to you it's like she has a file I'm

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like can I read it you know it's like no

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no you you know in fact I shouldn't even

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be telling you that I read it but he

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said no your mom's file is sealed but

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your mom didn't lie to you and you could

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be very proud of your mom she was a

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patriotic American and and she was

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telling you the truth that's a wonderful

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confirmation it is awesome so you've

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researched over 900 cases with mufon yep

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what are some of the ones that really

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stand out in your mind as being

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phenomenal cases oh wow you know that's

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a loaded question but if you could think

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of a couple uh you know there are

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certain cases that stick with you we had

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one case where uh there were two women

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that took uh Chase in their little uh oh

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you know the little Austin power British

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cars with what were those called mini

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yeah many a Mini Cooper all right okay

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so it wasn't a race car but they took

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chase after uh two

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spherical red

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UFOs that were traveling at quite a clip

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this was in Azusa California

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Azu says named the the name of Azusa is

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a to z America right Azusa or USA A to Z

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USA so but anyways it's kind of like

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this uh All-American town in the middle

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of San Bernardino area so they took

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chase after these two orbs

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and they got caught in a cul-de-sac and

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they couldn't follow them any further so

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they

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watching these two red spheres doing

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what we call the Falling Leaf motion

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over the mountains there where they're

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just staying in place but they're kind

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of going back and forth up and down

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um and that that is a thing we see that

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probably has something to do with

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electromagnetic propulsion

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um well anyhow they're watching this and

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they think well you know so much for you

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know chasing after the UFO at least we

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can see it from a distance when

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everything lights up behind them

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wow everything lit up behind them it was

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it was dusk

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um there was a park here there was a

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residential area to their right

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and uh they turn around in about 200

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feet away from them as a flying saucer

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handing over a two-story house

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it was it was right over the tree and

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they said that it would blink in and out

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of existence like it was like had some

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kind of cloaking technology that was not

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working properly so they would see like

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four spherical lights that would change

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colors and that would pain there and

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then every couple of seconds they would

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see the outline of a

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of a disc shaped craft

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so they're watching this thing and uh

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and then it takes off takes off into the

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vanishing point

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now that is a pretty darn good though

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those were two witnesses they had

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nothing to gain nothing everything to

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lose you know by by you know

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by putting in a report about this what

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was interesting is five miles away there

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was a veteran Air Force guy who watched

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the whole thing from a distance

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completely unrelated to them nobody knew

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each other it was he and his wife he

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called her out to watch and they watched

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the say they watched the whole thing

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they saw The Two Reds you know the two

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red objects and the disc shaped object

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and he watched it take off and shoot off

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into the vanishing point so that's uh

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three really good Witnesses two well

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actually Four because of the the guy

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called his wife out she saw the last bit

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of it so four pairs of eyes on this

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thing and uh and one was a friend who

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was a veteran uh Corman from the air

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force that was a good case

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for sure it BuzzFeed a little you know

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video and sent a crew out uh on that one

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and that was one of my first unknowns uh

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it's about six years ago I think around

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there so okay and you also work with

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mufon uh the uh ERT I believe it's how

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we pronounce it uh the emergency

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response or no it's the experience or

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resource team I got it totally backwards

442
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yeah yeah totally backwards thank you

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not emergency but it can be yeah and I

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see the John Mack books behind you

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um obviously this is a subject that we

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cover quite a bit as well is the

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experiencers and there's different

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experiences not everybody has the same

449
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experience but have you found

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commonalities in the cases that you've

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investigated the people that you work

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with what are the commonalities that you

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have seen

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um you know people come from all manner

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of backgrounds but I I noticed that a

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lot of people who are either abductees

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or visitees contactees

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uh it seems to be

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hyper-intelligent folks oftentimes

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people where the family has a military

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background like people like myself uh

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with with my mom and official them uh I

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I have another case that's an ongoing

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one that was from my hometown and and uh

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the the whole family they were all taken

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they had about four hours five hours of

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missing time after the house flooded

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with light uh to to uh Fireball blue

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Fireballs were aiming over their house

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first one crashed into the horse pasture

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in front of their house but their father

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was uh actually he was in the Air Force

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and he was part of uh Project Blue Book

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you know he took you know the Son and

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the and the father you know these the

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sons saw the the initial blue uh

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Fireball hit the horse pasture the night

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before but the father hadn't he he just

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heard word of mouth so they uh they they

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brought the the two of them went out and

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they're standing there and they see

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these two blue Fireballs just hovering

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over the house and at that point the

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father knew what was going on I mean

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they had been I guess targeted because

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of his background and apparently he

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worked in a deep underground base as

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well I mean they told a story about you

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know Take Your Kids To Work Day and

490
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apparently the dad took him in an

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elevator to this giant computer complex

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under in White Sands New Mexico

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which by the way is where where uh we're

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in Braun was was stationed when we

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brought him over with with Operation

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Paperclip and my mom said that she you

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know Werner was a friend of hers he'd

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pop up on on Disney or something and Mom

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would go oh that's that's my friend

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Warner and his Charming Man it's like

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Mom isn't it or not see you know it's

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like no they forced him to do that son

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he he just wanted to go to the moon and

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and uh he's actually a good American and

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Charming guy so I you know there's this

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connection I think military is a

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powerful one

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um other people it just seems like the

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abduction or the visitation phenomenon

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runs with certain Bloodlines uh people

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with O negative O positive blood uh seem

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to be more commonly experiencers

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positive and O Negative okay

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um

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I mean I I find that you know I mean I'm

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an experiencer myself it's a long story

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and I don't know if you want me to go go

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down that path because this is your

519
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episode my friend this is yours but my

520
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wife and I well we've experienced what

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what we call our weird week and it was

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when I first came to mufon uh I tried

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sort of my version of a ce5 meditation I

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I sent I was very out of my naivete I

525
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was sending out the message you know I

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want to meet you and you can abduct me

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and you can even take my DNA if you want

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and that is what I send out there is

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like don't don't do that kids not not

530
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not something you want or you might want

531
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to specify because I got the little gray

532
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guys and and they're not talkative

533
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they're all business and they yeah

534
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:11,820
indeed they they took a lot of blood

535
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:15,780
from me which is DNA didn't get probed

536
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but

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um you know I couldn't move I mean they

538
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they used portal technology to get into

539
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our room it flooded with light like you

540
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hear all the time and it's light that is

541
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not what we think of as light there's

542
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some calming thing about it it's a

543
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,820
bluish tinge to it

544
00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:37,679
uh my wife thought that I had had a

545
00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:39,539
mental breakdown I mean when I could

546
00:22:45,169 --> 00:22:42,360
finally move and some yell that's what I

547
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:45,179
was doing it was two at 2 am

548
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,179
and you know her whole attitude was was

549
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:49,919
oh my God you know is this what I have

550
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:52,200
to look forward to you know you joined

551
00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:55,080
this crazy UFO group

552
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,299
um and I just curled into a fetal

553
00:23:01,250 --> 00:22:59,640
position I was confused I didn't know

554
00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:01,260
who to talk to

555
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:02,840
and uh

556
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,880
two nights later my wife is the one

557
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,679
who's shaking me

558
00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:09,780
and again our room was flooded with

559
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,820
light it's flooded with light with no

560
00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:14,400
Source there's no you know the way

561
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:16,620
photons work you have to have a source

562
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:18,780
and they you know whether they're waves

563
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:22,380
or particles or wave equals uh they they

564
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:25,620
don't just come out of nowhere but these

565
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:29,039
it was as though it were its own source

566
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:32,340
somehow and she's shaking me awake and

567
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,200
she started pacing next to the bed and

568
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,000
she said oh my God Earl you need to tell

569
00:23:39,970 --> 00:23:38,520
your little friends I didn't explain

570
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:39,980
that they were little

571
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:42,600
diminutive she said your little friends

572
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:45,240
to leave us that I won't use the word

573
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:49,679
alone I didn't sign up for this yeah

574
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:52,919
and while I was horrified that my wife

575
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,100
had had a similar experience to what I

576
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:57,840
had had

577
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:00,840
um at least now she knew I wasn't insane

578
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,100
which which was thank God you know

579
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:07,860
um two nights after that we both woke up

580
00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:10,140
to our room being flooded with light

581
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,120
again but this time it was also coming

582
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:15,360
from above our house we lived in

583
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,640
downtown Burbank I mean it was not a

584
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:19,320
rural area right

585
00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:23,039
so you know whatever was going on I I

586
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:24,600
don't know how many other people could

587
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,559
see or but uh what I know is is that our

588
00:24:33,529 --> 00:24:30,480
visitors are in control and when they

589
00:24:36,130 --> 00:24:33,539
make your space into their space the

590
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:36,140
time is different sounds are different

591
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:38,820
uh your thought processes are not even

592
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,200
your own

593
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:42,720
um they're in control

594
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,280
um I mean I've had a close encounter

595
00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:45,600
with a craft

596
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,659
since that happened and again it was a

597
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:50,159
teachable moment I don't think they were

598
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:53,159
doing an air show or you know circus act

599
00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:55,559
for my benefit they were trying to teach

600
00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:57,659
me something and and what they were

601
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,539
trying to teach me was was that uh yeah

602
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,400
you you're not going to grab your phone

603
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,320
and take videos or photographs you're

604
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,240
not going to get you know you're not

605
00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:08,400
going to call the muffon Star team in

606
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:10,860
and call the press and Etc what you're

607
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,179
going to do is you're going to drive

608
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:14,700
right past that Miracle because the

609
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:16,860
biggest worry in the world right now is

610
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,740
is that you might be late for work for a

611
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:22,559
job that you don't really even like

612
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:25,140
so I was two miles away from this

613
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,299
miracle that I saw it was a v-shaped

614
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:30,480
craft boxy looking hating their Defying

615
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,580
Gravity is this massive tonnage and

616
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,039
there's no way to explain how it was

617
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,159
there in the sky and it was 35 40 feet

618
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,039
away from me and but I drove right past

619
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:42,960
it because I was going to be late for

620
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:43,860
work

621
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:47,400
uh I was maybe a minute away from the

622
00:25:54,529 --> 00:25:51,840
118 freeway out here which goes to the

623
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,539
the town that I worked in when I came to

624
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,120
my senses I pulled my car over

625
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:58,559
um this was like six o'clock in the

626
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:00,419
morning it wasn't at night you know I

627
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,620
wasn't asleep it wasn't sleep paralysis

628
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,480
um and I just I I was ready to fire

629
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,820
myself for mufon you know because I

630
00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:11,039
didn't I I'm a trained Observer and yet

631
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,900
I didn't do any of the things that I was

632
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:15,600
trained to do at that point I was Chief

633
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:18,659
investigator in Southern California and

634
00:26:24,409 --> 00:26:22,020
I couldn't explain it except

635
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:24,419
they're in control and they were letting

636
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:26,100
me know that

637
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,740
um since then I mean I I didn't even put

638
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,659
a report into mufant I was so

639
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,679
embarrassed

640
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,080
uh but then our state director at the

641
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:36,960
time Jeff Kraus had a similar occurrence

642
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:40,500
with his son where they watched a a disk

643
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:43,799
raft fly across the mountains of San

644
00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:46,260
Luis Obispo where they lived and I asked

645
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,299
him I said well did you get a photo did

646
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,159
you get a video did you get it's like

647
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:53,520
none of the above no I I can't explain

648
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:56,039
it I I didn't do any of the things that

649
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,159
I would I would normally do you know

650
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,380
crazy we checked we chatted with Whitley

651
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:02,640
strieber and he said when he wrote

652
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,340
communion he got 30 000 letters from

653
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,919
people about their experience and going

654
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:09,960
through them all he was explaining that

655
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:12,480
you know this stereotypical abduction

656
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,900
story very rarely if ever happens and a

657
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:17,279
lot of times it's just maybe how those

658
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:19,140
people remembered things happening he

659
00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:22,260
goes usually it's this shoddy Patchwork

660
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,500
of I don't remember maybe that happened

661
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:27,360
I don't know why I said what I said or

662
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,640
thought what I thought basically to what

663
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,340
you had just said that they are so far

664
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:34,559
away from being in control of this they

665
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,360
don't even remember if it was a dream or

666
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:39,000
real it was that sort of delusional so

667
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,100
do you find that with the bulk of your

668
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,919
mufon cases that most of them are

669
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,840
Patchwork they're not able to get a

670
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:47,940
photo or video it's not like what the

671
00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:49,500
debunkers think you know if this is

672
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:51,059
happening all the time where's all the

673
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:54,059
pigs maybe you're not able to do that so

674
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:55,320
is that something that's a pattern

675
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:57,240
within the investigations you've looked

676
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:01,200
at yeah it is actually I mean people you

677
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,159
know

678
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,740
may think that they're going to react a

679
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:06,900
certain way but when this happens when

680
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:09,960
you when you have a face to face with

681
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:13,320
the ineffable that which isn't supposed

682
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,580
to exist it it causes ontological shock

683
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:19,919
in a person it's like it pulls your

684
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,260
sense of reality out from under you like

685
00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:25,679
a rug and you're left there kind of you

686
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:26,360
know

687
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:34,500
something to hold on to it's it's you

688
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:37,320
know people wind up with the PTSD and

689
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:41,039
and uh and people do not react the way

690
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:44,580
that they've been trained to I I

691
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:48,120
but you know people react in meaningful

692
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:51,240
ways once they look at it again from

693
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:54,299
afar uh usually it seems to me that

694
00:29:00,049 --> 00:28:57,779
there are teachable things going on here

695
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:00,059
um I mean I had one case where Maureen

696
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,059
was uh literally abducted through the

697
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:06,240
roof of Camp Pendleton from his bunk

698
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,720
after a weird weird day I mean he he saw

699
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:11,039
a UFO

700
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,039
and his he was this guy was a kind of a

701
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,740
Motorhead he loved he had this hot rod

702
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:19,919
right like a Ford Galaxy except it

703
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,020
wasn't a Ford Galaxy I have to look at

704
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:25,020
his at his file but but you get the idea

705
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:29,120
and he was watching like Tesla style

706
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:33,600
electricity going through the the all

707
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:36,779
the controls of his car on the radio and

708
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:39,299
and so he had shut the car down he was

709
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,980
afraid that it was gonna its Car

710
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,679
electrical system was gonna burn out

711
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:46,020
and he was told telepathically that he

712
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:47,940
needed to go back to his Barracks you

713
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,820
know this was his he was his Champs to

714
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:53,520
get out you know and he was he was off

715
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:54,419
duty

716
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:57,240
but this voice told them you're very

717
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,159
very tired and you need to go back to

718
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:02,399
your bunk and he did as he he went there

719
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,100
he said is his uh bunk mate was there he

720
00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:07,200
said hello and he

721
00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:09,720
well the this bunk mate looked for him

722
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,179
about 15 minutes later and he was not

723
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:15,240
there it was like he had disappeared

724
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,220
and what happened was was he said that

725
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:19,740
he uh he had been taken through the roof

726
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,399
he could see the Earth down below and he

727
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:25,860
was suddenly in the inside of this disc

728
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,260
shaped Craft

729
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:30,899
um these entities were brooding they

730
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,080
were like tall Grays that he saw uh

731
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:37,260
brooding and threatening towards him

732
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,260
uh they told him that you know we've

733
00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:43,440
taken you and now you are under our

734
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:45,299
control and next thing we're going to do

735
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:52,789
he instead of reacting violently started

736
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:54,120
praying

737
00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:58,860
like a Christian background and in fact

738
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:01,380
this was why he was on the road earlier

739
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:03,539
that evening he had left a party because

740
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:05,640
somebody brought out a Ouija board and

741
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,279
that bothered him so he left the party

742
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,440
so he thought that these were the you

743
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,960
know demons and Devils that he they were

744
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:14,520
tormenting him and he thought it had

745
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,960
something to do with the Ouija board

746
00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:17,220
coming out

747
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:19,740
but then he found out no that these no

748
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:21,899
that wasn't what was going on that these

749
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:25,980
were ETS that had time uh taken him

750
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:28,620
um when he started reacting in a

751
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:30,779
non-violent way and remember this was a

752
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,240
soldier he had been in Vietnam he didn't

753
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,580
he said that he didn't have PTSD from

754
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:38,399
Vietnam and I believe him I spoke with

755
00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:40,260
his whole family I spoke with his kids

756
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:43,260
and with his wife it's like Dad talks

757
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:46,440
about this all the time and he has PTSD

758
00:31:51,769 --> 00:31:49,260
but not from fighting in Vietnam it's

759
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,779
from his encounter

760
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:53,760
um when he started praying and he

761
00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:56,940
started asking Jesus for compassion you

762
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,520
know and to save him and rescue him

763
00:32:03,549 --> 00:32:01,919
he suddenly found himself back in his

764
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:03,559
Barracks he was kind of in this

765
00:32:09,549 --> 00:32:06,299
crouching there he had black splotches

766
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:09,559
and like red you know skin irritations

767
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,200
all over his body his bunk mate found

768
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:16,320
him uh was perplexed took him and you

769
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,100
know made him shower and and uh but this

770
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,919
followed this guy all these years all

771
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:24,779
these years now he started having dreams

772
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:27,539
that were realer than dreams this first

773
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,779
episode was the only one where where he

774
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,539
was sort of attacked you know although

775
00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:35,880
they didn't actually hurt him but they

776
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:37,559
were threatening him and I think that it

777
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,020
was to see his reaction they're very

778
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,000
interested in our military I think

779
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:44,399
they're very interested in Mankind's

780
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:47,340
propensity to war with each other and

781
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:49,020
then how could we be you know

782
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,779
compassionate empathic creatures and yet

783
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:54,360
do this terrible thing to each other and

784
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,700
and if we're going to go into outer

785
00:33:01,789 --> 00:32:58,799
space I mean I don't think that our

786
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:01,799
visitors went Star Wars they went you

787
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,960
know Star Trek sure you know and I guess

788
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,940
if Captain Kirk wants to punch uh you

789
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:08,159
know Gorn in the nose or something maybe

790
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,460
that's all right but but the war stuff

791
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:13,679
and I think that that's part of what's

792
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:18,179
going on I a lot of visitors and

793
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:20,279
abductees come from a military

794
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:22,440
background and I've heard the story over

795
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:24,600
and over and over same thing they're

796
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:26,820
taken up they see the earth below

797
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:29,460
another guy that was like energy beings

798
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,220
of light that that took him and and they

799
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,799
showed him the uh

800
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:37,440
like the volcanoes in the Pacific Rim

801
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,260
exploding they wanted to gather how he

802
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:42,240
would react to that

803
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,279
um again this guy didn't react with

804
00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:46,799
anger he reacted with sadness and

805
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:49,880
compassion and like prayerful thought

806
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:53,039
and he said that he felt enveloped by

807
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:54,240
love

808
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:56,700
from his entities

809
00:34:03,289 --> 00:33:59,880
and uh and he was brought back and and

810
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,299
with this Arcane strange knowledge this

811
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,580
happened on an aircraft carrier that guy

812
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:08,159
and it happened for a reason

813
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,260
um the cat Camp Pendleton thing happened

814
00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:13,679
back in the like 1968.

815
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,179
um but those

816
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:18,720
stories stick with you and I I see like

817
00:34:23,889 --> 00:34:21,240
a gist behind the way that they're

818
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:23,899
treating these these uh

819
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,540
experiencers it's it's to find out what

820
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,060
our motives are to reveal those motives

821
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:32,820
to ourselves and I think they're trying

822
00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:35,639
to change us you know the that are it's

823
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:37,940
a great concern to them nuclear weapons

824
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:41,280
are worry natures and the way that we

825
00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:44,339
treat the Earth like a trash pile uh

826
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:47,540
those all three I think have have

827
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:51,300
accentuated us in their eyes and I think

828
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:55,200
this is why why there's such this such

829
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,060
an interest in US

830
00:35:02,930 --> 00:34:59,280
on their part

831
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:02,940
yeah we're a weird mix of you know well

832
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:04,859
you know like you go on YouTube and you

833
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:07,859
can see the most amazing things that a

834
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:09,960
person is capable of doing from singing

835
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,320
to stunts to like just wow videos of

836
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:14,880
like I can't believe this person has

837
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,400
this ability and yet there's this other

838
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,200
aspect to our civilization which is

839
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:22,260
about destruction of another group of

840
00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,180
people we've always been like that since

841
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:26,579
the evolution of our species

842
00:35:30,849 --> 00:35:28,619
uh we were talking with Abby Loeb and he

843
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:30,859
was mentioning that you know most likely

844
00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:33,540
space-faring entities that are able to

845
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,140
visit other civilizations are peaceful

846
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:38,520
species because if you're a violent

847
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,260
species you're most likely to destroy

848
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:42,420
yourself or pick a fight with the First

849
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,900
new species that you discover right so

850
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:47,520
it made sense when you described that

851
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,560
now we were talking about like the

852
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:52,079
disorientation that you get when a nail

853
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,880
and abduction happens and I was trying

854
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:55,500
to search for a word that would describe

855
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,680
it discombobulating is probably the word

856
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,240
that describes the word yes right

857
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:02,640
exactly you're just you're taken out of

858
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:04,440
it and nothing makes sense uh your

859
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:06,119
brain's trying to process

860
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:08,339
new information and alien experience

861
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,740
that has no point of reference for

862
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:12,359
um and that's what makes it hard for

863
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,619
these people is that they're trying to

864
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:15,359
compartmentalize or make sense of

865
00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:18,180
something that is is way beyond our

866
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,520
ability to comprehend

867
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,260
um Louie you say it all the time what's

868
00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:24,420
that quote that uh you say yeah it's not

869
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,339
Stranger Than You Think it's stranger

870
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:29,040
than you can think so your brain just

871
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:30,839
wants to make sense of it that's the

872
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,300
nature of your mind is just rank and

873
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:35,359
file it somewhere it's like peridolia

874
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,099
Jesus in the clouds or something right

875
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:40,500
your brain just wants to latch on to the

876
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:42,839
closest familiar thing it can so we can

877
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,079
process it and keep you the alien and

878
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,000
the woodwork yes

879
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:51,119
or the the eyes and the mouth on the

880
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,160
back of every single car right yeah

881
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:57,410
you can try to make sense out of

882
00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:58,500
everything yeah there's a mouth there

883
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:00,900
there's a couple eyes but it's all you

884
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:03,240
know about um yeah the Observer but I

885
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,740
heard you mentioning um the military

886
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:07,200
bases and I wanted to ask your thoughts

887
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,380
on two things one sort of the sort of

888
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,960
Robert Salas Malmstrom type things where

889
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:14,880
they're shutting down our nukes Robert's

890
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,160
a great friend he was just at our muffon

891
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,500
meeting uh last Sunday yeah we've

892
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,880
chatted with him a couple show it up as

893
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:22,680
well yeah so I mean that's been

894
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:24,599
happening so there's validation on the

895
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,700
military end but I mean look at the

896
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,320
recent Arrow hearings and we've been

897
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,480
talking about witness testimony and

898
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,119
experiencers nowhere in that in their

899
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:35,940
dialogue is there space for that it's

900
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,800
like if our sensor data didn't collect

901
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,839
it it didn't happen we're not talking

902
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:41,640
about it like that's like saying a

903
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,380
murder didn't happen because the Navy

904
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:45,720
didn't have sensors to capture it at the

905
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,079
time like it's it's infuriating to hear

906
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,380
it so as an experiencer as a child of

907
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:54,240
somebody who's worked with the military

908
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:56,460
you're kind of the perfect link what do

909
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:57,780
you think about hearing government

910
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,960
dialogue that has no room for just

911
00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:03,359
anyone with a camera as Kirkpatrick said

912
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:04,680
yeah

913
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:09,900
quandary because on one hand the genie

914
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:11,940
is out of the bottle Pandora is out of

915
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:14,579
the box I mean you know when the Tic Tac

916
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,300
and the go fast and you know the all

917
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:21,599
those videos came out in 2017.

918
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,820
and Leslie Keane wrote her article that

919
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:25,740
was on the front page of the New York

920
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,660
Times

921
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,520
um that was disclosure I mean I don't

922
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:31,920
know what more people could ask for I

923
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:33,540
mean if you got the president of the

924
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:34,940
United States

925
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:37,859
like three years ago half the country

926
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,300
wouldn't have believed it they would

927
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:41,339
have said all right lion again if

928
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,380
they've got if they had the president of

929
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,480
the United States now go out and

930
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:48,300
disclose it'd say oh he's finally got

931
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:51,000
you know his Alzheimer's symptoms are

932
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:52,980
overcoming him

933
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:55,079
um we don't have a Walter Cronkite and

934
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,380
people don't trust each other so

935
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:00,960
you know I I don't know who would be

936
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:04,619
able to go and and disclose maybe the

937
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:08,640
United Nations but you know I mean I

938
00:39:11,089 --> 00:39:09,780
don't know I don't know if that would

939
00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:11,099
work

940
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:13,260
um it seems like this one-on-one-on-one

941
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:15,180
thing you know through the experience or

942
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:17,339
phenomena is the way they're doing it

943
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:20,339
slow and I guess they're patient yeah

944
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,160
but um I'm not surprised with the way

945
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,440
that the hearings went and the way that

946
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,260
the arrow guys are treating this uh the

947
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:30,240
the one thing the Air Force does not

948
00:39:36,829 --> 00:39:33,000
want to tell the public is is what they

949
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:36,839
know that this is real uh does things

950
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:39,720
that we can't do we are not sure who's

951
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,540
flying these machines they're underwater

952
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:44,820
as well messing with submarines as well

953
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:46,980
as in the air messing with our highest

954
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,220
technological Jets we have and we can't

955
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:53,280
protect you from it there's nothing we

956
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:54,300
can do

957
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:58,079
huh I mean how are they you know even

958
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:00,420
gonna have a budget if they go on

959
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:02,579
recording this they don't want to say

960
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,680
that they never did want to say it they

961
00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:06,900
don't want to say it now you know back

962
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,640
in

963
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,040
1952 after the White House fly over you

964
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,140
know they convened the Robertson panel

965
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:15,839
to and more or less figure out how to

966
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:18,839
react to the American public and it was

967
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,300
with ridicule and by getting scientists

968
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:23,760
to make fun of these people and act like

969
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:26,820
they were you know if you report a UFO

970
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:29,160
that's synonymous with reporting a

971
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:32,040
leprechaun swimming in your bathtub you

972
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:34,380
know and they they wanted to put you

973
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:36,839
know and now you know I mean okay they

974
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,180
want to Rebrand everything it was flying

975
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:41,760
saucers okay is Kenneth Arnold's term

976
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:44,579
you know that the Press picked up right

977
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,920
away they changed it to UFO they don't

978
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:49,440
want anybody to be thinking flying

979
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,060
saucers they want to control the

980
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:53,160
conversation

981
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:55,380
um here we are again now you know it's

982
00:41:01,730 --> 00:40:58,380
UFO is look we're not using that acronym

983
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:01,740
anymore now it's UAP and I wonder what

984
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:04,320
next week what what new acronym acronym

985
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,359
they're going to have for it because the

986
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:07,920
last thing they want to do is say well

987
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:10,680
we've known about this for at least 75

988
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:14,220
years uh we have downed materials and we

989
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,680
can't figure out much about them we we

990
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:19,200
don't know how these things fly and

991
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:20,940
we're sort of in the same position that

992
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,079
we were 75 years ago uh after Roswell we

993
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:27,599
can't say honestly that we can protect

994
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:29,700
you from this

995
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:31,740
the good news

996
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:35,040
is that if it's an alien invasion

997
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:37,260
they're doing a horrible job of it I

998
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:39,660
mean you know they've been here at least

999
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:42,780
since the Roswell crash in 1947. I mean

1000
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,540
if they wanted to take us over I think

1001
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,700
they could have done it within minutes

1002
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:50,160
you know yeah but they're not here to

1003
00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:53,160
destroy us I think obvious is correct

1004
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,839
um you know that was the same way Arthur

1005
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:57,839
C Clarke felt about intelligence that if

1006
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:01,140
you are an evil self-serving race you're

1007
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,300
going to destroy yourself before you

1008
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:05,460
have a chance to destroy other cultures

1009
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:07,980
out there I think the light year is our

1010
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,579
friend in that instance you know yeah

1011
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,740
and our species is unique as we create

1012
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,560
countries you know these imaginary lines

1013
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,420
we say you can't cross and I mean it

1014
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:20,339
causes a lot of problems

1015
00:42:23,569 --> 00:42:21,780
I think the biggest problem with

1016
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:23,579
disclosure is the fact that we have

1017
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:26,460
governments for different countries

1018
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,099
there's no unity in this problem there's

1019
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,920
no Global work really where everybody's

1020
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:33,420
saying hey we have a unified problem

1021
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,119
right now with these entities like UAP

1022
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:38,339
could be you know Universal alien

1023
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:40,140
problem because that's exactly what it

1024
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:40,800
is

1025
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:44,720
investigate it

1026
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:47,339
compartmentalizing it per country right

1027
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:49,619
so Russia has its own program the United

1028
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:51,000
States has its own program they're all

1029
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:52,980
keeping tight-lipped about it because

1030
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:55,940
it's always about military purposes

1031
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,400
weaponization and money always send

1032
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:02,400
money yeah exactly so it's huge how can

1033
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,099
we use this in war yeah and as soon as

1034
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,160
we share with the American people what

1035
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,380
we know we're also sharing it with the

1036
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:12,900
foreign Nationals we're sharing with

1037
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:15,240
Russia with China where we're we're

1038
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:17,819
sharing with with people that are not

1039
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:22,200
necessarily good actors so I I get their

1040
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:26,220
quandary I understand it and do you want

1041
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:28,440
official them to disclose anyway I mean

1042
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:29,819
do you think they're the right guys to

1043
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:32,700
do it the military I don't think so that

1044
00:43:36,970 --> 00:43:34,740
means kind of shoot first ask questions

1045
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:36,980
later I think it's much better for

1046
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,260
disclosure to happen like this right now

1047
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:42,480
this is disclosure right now what we're

1048
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:45,000
doing people are well actually this or

1049
00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:46,980
listening to it and it's going to make

1050
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,319
them think and think differently and

1051
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,079
that's how it probably shouldn't be done

1052
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,760
you know and it may come from private

1053
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:55,740
sector too like Javi lobes Galileo

1054
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:57,720
project we ask him similar questions

1055
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:59,099
about arrow and he goes I don't care

1056
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:00,839
about the government he's like they

1057
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:04,079
don't want to declassify things that are

1058
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:06,060
man-made he's like it's military they're

1059
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,560
never going to do it stop asking him

1060
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:09,180
he's like I don't want any information

1061
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:11,400
on anything man-made he's like we have

1062
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,500
our own sensors we collect our own data

1063
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,319
we have private funding basically if you

1064
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:18,359
detach from that government they don't

1065
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:20,099
have oversight on your project and it's

1066
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,420
kind of like what they do with black

1067
00:44:26,109 --> 00:44:23,280
budget stuff right you can't foil

1068
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,030
once it goes private it's gone so yeah

1069
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:32,040
but if you use that in a good sense uh

1070
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,380
you can actually help move this a little

1071
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,660
bit forward rather than do the same I

1072
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:38,700
mean it was Project sign project Grudge

1073
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:41,640
Project Blue Book then it was UAP task

1074
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:45,119
force you know atip Aero nibs if there's

1075
00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:47,160
been a hundred of these things they all

1076
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,740
do the same thing and even in the last

1077
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:51,359
hearing Kirkpatrick's basically saying

1078
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:52,619
yeah hopefully in a couple years you

1079
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,900
won't need another arrow like it'll be

1080
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,000
we'll just be able to filter out the

1081
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,560
garbage and give it back to the same

1082
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,020
bodies that have done a horrible job

1083
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:03,599
building in the first place like this is

1084
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:05,640
going nowhere and uh I don't know why we

1085
00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:07,560
get so upset and myself included because

1086
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:10,500
we want to know but it's I'm done I

1087
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,119
posted something on Facebook the other

1088
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,460
day it's a meme of a guy and I put the

1089
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:16,380
header as getting ready for the next

1090
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,359
Arrow hearing and he's putting Tabasco

1091
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:20,880
in his eyes that's how I feel about it

1092
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:23,640
right like get ready for another you

1093
00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:25,020
know that's pretty good what do they

1094
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,460
call it nothing Burger that's yeah

1095
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,079
nothing floating around Twitter ever

1096
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,900
since another nothing Burger um for me

1097
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:32,520
was this statement of I want to make it

1098
00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:34,200
somebody else's problem or I'm

1099
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:35,819
paraphrasing God yeah he wants to turn

1100
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:40,319
UAP to SCP yeah and you know how angry

1101
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:42,540
Robert Solace is after all this when

1102
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:45,060
they claim that they have absolutely

1103
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:47,579
they have no information about what

1104
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:50,880
happened at the Malmstrom base in 1967.

1105
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:54,119
I mean I'm sorry you have a UFO that

1106
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:56,819
shoots a laser beam down into your ICBM

1107
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:00,480
uh you know pet and it's and it's

1108
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:04,740
turning it took 10 nuclear missiles

1109
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,560
offline boom boom boom boom boom he

1110
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:09,359
watched the whole thing the guy up on

1111
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,400
top is screaming in the radio you know

1112
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:14,880
there's a UFO hovering shooting laser

1113
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:18,060
beams down the missiles I mean and they

1114
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:20,040
claimed that they they didn't have any

1115
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,660
information about this so they didn't

1116
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:24,359
save anything it's like I got a bridge

1117
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,839
you know for you and Robert testified

1118
00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:29,760
like a month and a half ago we know this

1119
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:32,339
because hours to him and he says let me

1120
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:34,740
testify first then I may have more that

1121
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,800
I can discuss or maybe not discuss so we

1122
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:39,300
know for a fact that he spoke to the

1123
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:42,060
Aero panel less than 60 days ago so

1124
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:46,140
today for hours he said yeah hours and

1125
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:47,640
I'm pretty sure Kirkpatrick was also

1126
00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:49,980
briefed by somebody on sort of reverse

1127
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,440
engineering projects that are happening

1128
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,839
or have happened so to say that they're

1129
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:56,460
not in possession of any knowledge and

1130
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:59,339
maybe it's just like me personally I

1131
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,839
don't know but you know damn well your

1132
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:03,119
boss and everybody else knows but maybe

1133
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,440
they're trying to have that plausible

1134
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,480
deniability and that's why the president

1135
00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:08,339
doesn't really know everything they're

1136
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,660
supposed to either because they have to

1137
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,000
be able to say I genuinely didn't know

1138
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:15,000
even if they suspect it is true right I

1139
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:16,500
mean they compartmentalize everything

1140
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:19,079
now you know and you get everybody gets

1141
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:21,720
like a little bit of the story but not

1142
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,880
the whole story and I think that my mom

1143
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,400
when she was doing what she was doing

1144
00:47:30,010 --> 00:47:28,560
that she was in a unique position that

1145
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:30,020
they hadn't really figured out

1146
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:32,700
compartmentalization yet so she was

1147
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:35,160
their stenographer for all these high

1148
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:38,700
you know boiling meetings with you know

1149
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,240
Mucky mugs and so she had to have a high

1150
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:44,640
security clearance and that worked well

1151
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:47,160
for her you know because later on in

1152
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:50,040
life she realized that she hated being a

1153
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:51,660
housewife and that she wanted to work

1154
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:56,099
again and and she she opened up an

1155
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,140
employment agency but it was kind of a

1156
00:48:02,930 --> 00:48:00,660
cover for what she was because what she

1157
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:02,940
was doing was was she was a Headhunter

1158
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,400
for you know the various Aerospace

1159
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,380
corporations

1160
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,119
um and she would find them broom pushers

1161
00:48:13,609 --> 00:48:11,280
up to the top scientists and that's

1162
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:13,619
that's what she did and I watched her do

1163
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,240
it I mean she got got one of my friends

1164
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:18,180
out to a job he had a it was at Northrop

1165
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,180
he was a math whiz his mom was my old

1166
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:23,520
math teacher I'm terrible at math by the

1167
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,700
way me too yeah don't give me a d I

1168
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:29,280
think in the class but but my mom sent

1169
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,319
him out because they had a problem and

1170
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,319
and when he got back he was gone for a

1171
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:36,720
couple of weeks uh I think that he might

1172
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,079
have just turned 18. uh he was older

1173
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,540
than me and he comes back he says he had

1174
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,819
a new car first of all and a wad of cash

1175
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:46,880
and I asked him well what did

1176
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,040
how what'd you do he said I'll show you

1177
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,380
what your mom got me out to he brought

1178
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,240
out like an old like the old computer

1179
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,640
readout sheets that fold and the the

1180
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,800
green and the black and the old school

1181
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,020
red line so old school and he's going

1182
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,319
flop flop flute flute and he had one

1183
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:07,440
number the big old number uh circled in

1184
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:10,500
a orange grease pencil and it's like pre

1185
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:13,859
flare markers right so grease pencil

1186
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:17,040
Circle there and he said this stopped

1187
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,260
the wheels at Northrop for a couple of

1188
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:21,300
months and they were losing money and

1189
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:24,119
losing money and losing money and but he

1190
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:25,560
was able to look at that column of

1191
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,440
numbers and intuitively know which one

1192
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:31,440
was out of place so my mom got people

1193
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:34,980
out for special interest projects like

1194
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:38,099
that you know as well as you know side

1195
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:39,900
rocket science scientists out to

1196
00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:43,020
Raytheon aerojet and all the major you

1197
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,020
know movers and shakers back then if she

1198
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,599
hadn't had her top secret Above Top

1199
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:50,400
Secret security clearance she couldn't

1200
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:53,220
have done that but this allowed her to

1201
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,560
continue her work and and she was happy

1202
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:58,020
when she was working she's a miserable

1203
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,020
housewife she hated it you know I feel

1204
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:02,960
bad for my dad

1205
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,339
he's a guy that fell in love with her

1206
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:08,160
you know yeah and I I so much respect

1207
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,220
and love for my mom and she left this

1208
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:13,980
trail of bread crumbs for me you know

1209
00:50:19,069 --> 00:50:16,260
it's a blessing I you know I love her

1210
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:19,079
you know and and I'm as much in search

1211
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:22,560
of her and what she was doing as as I am

1212
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:25,560
uh E.T and and what E.T is doing here in

1213
00:50:31,309 --> 00:50:28,280
our planet so quick question for you

1214
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,319
1989. you have a guy like Bob Lazar that

1215
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:32,880
comes out and says in the middle of the

1216
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:35,339
desert right uh they're flying or

1217
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:39,839
testing UFOs he put S4 and really you

1218
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:41,880
know him and George now put S4 and Area

1219
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,180
51 on the map and there's also evidence

1220
00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:46,800
people say oh he has no evidence I'm

1221
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:48,540
like no he does because he brought

1222
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,460
people out in the middle of the desert

1223
00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:52,020
on the side of the highway they were

1224
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:53,579
even having parties at the end they were

1225
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,260
getting so cocky they were on top of a

1226
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:57,420
Winnebago having full parties taking

1227
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:59,160
pictures and videos of these crafts

1228
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:01,140
laying in the middle of nowhere

1229
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,660
every Wednesday night at 7 pm because

1230
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:05,760
that was the best time that there'd be

1231
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:08,099
no traffic on the highway

1232
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,960
um when you hear something like that you

1233
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:11,339
know and I know like people have

1234
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:13,140
problems with his credibility in his

1235
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,859
school

1236
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:15,660
but you hear that knowing your your

1237
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:17,940
mom's recruiting I know the guy used to

1238
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:21,059
drop them off at work at College uh

1239
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:24,180
there there's we had a mutual friend and

1240
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,040
he would take him to Caltech and drop

1241
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,319
him off and then pick them up but you'd

1242
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:30,839
have his books and school work so you

1243
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,420
know yeah and the security guy from

1244
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:36,960
Caltech I know him and and he says yeah

1245
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,780
we all knew Bob he was he yeah he was a

1246
00:51:44,089 --> 00:51:42,480
student yeah yeah and maybe look in the

1247
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:44,099
wrong College you're working at MIT

1248
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:46,740
wouldn't call Tech yeah and from the

1249
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:49,020
get-go for me I mean I remember that uh

1250
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:50,819
watching that on TV for the first time

1251
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:53,339
when he was portraying himself as Dennis

1252
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,020
which was the name of his Handler that

1253
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:57,599
he hated uh but you know watching that

1254
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,180
and I'm like it I remember my dad being

1255
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,160
like Oh it's true it's true they're like

1256
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,559
my dad was a Believer right away and I

1257
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,000
was like holy crap this guy might be

1258
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:07,680
telling the truth and that was probably

1259
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:10,200
one of the biggest Bombshells and

1260
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:12,540
something that is never mentioned in the

1261
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:13,800
Senate hearings like everybody this

1262
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,680
misses his testimony even though he was

1263
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:18,780
on to something right they were up to

1264
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:20,520
something there people have witnessed it

1265
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:22,980
along with him and I know there's a big

1266
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:25,619
discredited campaign against him that

1267
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:27,300
they were trying to race his past which

1268
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:28,859
was a lot easier to do back in the day

1269
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,760
yes than it is now so I think it should

1270
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,800
be mentioned you know more often that

1271
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:36,720
maybe he did he was telling us the truth

1272
00:52:42,349 --> 00:52:39,599
from the start I agree yeah I asked my

1273
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:42,359
mom about him oh really yeah I didn't

1274
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:43,859
know a whole lot about the UFO

1275
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:45,540
phenomenon while she was still alive

1276
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:48,660
because I wanted to hear it from her but

1277
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:50,579
I did know about the Bible is on our

1278
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:52,740
story and I asked her I said so Mom did

1279
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:54,839
you it sounds like one of your guys did

1280
00:53:00,650 --> 00:52:57,180
you ever get a guy who named Bob Lazar

1281
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:00,660
out to work and she looked a little like

1282
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:03,660
she was a little PO'd at me

1283
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:06,540
yeah because I'm doing it again and she

1284
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,059
said Bob laser that's not a name and

1285
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:11,640
then she walked out so she wasn't

1286
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:13,880
willing to talk

1287
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,520
yeah maybe she wins the one yeah who

1288
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:20,040
knows I want to ask you Earl in the

1289
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:22,920
world of high strangeness you have UFOs

1290
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,920
you have beings you have orbs there's

1291
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:28,319
Cryptids like even Bigfoot or Skin

1292
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:30,540
Walkers or and then you have sort of the

1293
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,059
world of paranormal and Poltergeist and

1294
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:36,059
you know Shadow beings so yeah that's

1295
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:37,619
the skinwalker cane is that what that is

1296
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:39,900
yeah yeah exactly very nice you have to

1297
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:41,640
use a cane you better have a cool one so

1298
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:43,859
there you go so do you think all these

1299
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,720
things are somehow connected or are they

1300
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,520
just sort of different brands that all

1301
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,200
kind of share space with us at the same

1302
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,079
time I think that it's all the above

1303
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,000
probably but I think it's kind of

1304
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:57,119
connected uh it's not so much paranormal

1305
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,640
we need to get rid of the word para and

1306
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:01,920
just expand our idea of what normal is

1307
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,140
and I think that's what's happening year

1308
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,660
you know it's always been here with us

1309
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:09,240
but we again you know it's like

1310
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:12,180
paradilia and all that you know we just

1311
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:13,800
love to we want to explain everything

1312
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:16,140
and have it simple and and just

1313
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:19,500
categorize it and put it in a file and

1314
00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:22,020
it's not like that

1315
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:23,960
um and I uh

1316
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:27,540
whoever this other intelligence is and I

1317
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,339
don't think it's just one I think that

1318
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:32,640
it's various intelligences I think that

1319
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,180
it's been here a long long long time I

1320
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:37,440
mean you know Christopher Columbus

1321
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:40,680
talked about a lit object coming out of

1322
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:43,260
the ocean and following them you know on

1323
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:45,180
their way to the new world did not know

1324
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:47,880
that yeah Lantern because because that's

1325
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:49,619
how you can make sense of it was just an

1326
00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:51,720
oil lamp coming out of this yeah oh wow

1327
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,579
that never heard that before that's fast

1328
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:55,680
yeah yeah I mean you know the Romans

1329
00:55:01,730 --> 00:54:58,619
talked about flying shields uh you know

1330
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:01,740
the Epic of Gilgamesh oh you know I mean

1331
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,859
this goes way way back goes to you know

1332
00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:07,200
the same goes in Australia they had

1333
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:09,140
lightning man who came from the sky

1334
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:11,640
brought fire brought civilization

1335
00:55:17,089 --> 00:55:14,819
brought hunting skills language

1336
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,099
um you know the same thing through the

1337
00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:19,920
mesoamerica it's up and down uh from

1338
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from Alaska so all the way down to

1339
00:55:28,809 --> 00:55:26,040
Argentina it's all the same story the

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00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:28,819
the the star people came they taught us

1341
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:32,160
uh they taught us knowledge of hunting

1342
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:36,420
and Agriculture and uh it's it's amazing

1343
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:39,240
it's worldwide you know Africa as well

1344
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:41,220
you know aerial School

1345
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,800
what what a what a marvelous film by the

1346
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:45,599
way yeah yeah we interviewed Randall

1347
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:47,339
Nickerson about that Randall's wonderful

1348
00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:50,220
what a great film yeah it took him such

1349
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:52,460
a long time and he had to basically

1350
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:55,140
raise his own fines to continue the

1351
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,460
progression of the movies it took him

1352
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,619
over 10 years to do it and even the

1353
00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:00,180
people in the movie when they go back to

1354
00:56:04,609 --> 00:56:02,579
the aerial school they still have the

1355
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,619
same trauma they did as a kid so it's

1356
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:06,420
it's hard to fake that kind of stuff you

1357
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:09,780
know oh yeah oh it was very just just a

1358
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,960
beautiful film and and and John Max you

1359
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:14,880
know my my guy I

1360
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,460
I I have a feeling if he had lived maybe

1361
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:19,800
I would be working with him or something

1362
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:22,260
because I I feel the same way about

1363
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,420
everything I I don't think they're all

1364
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:26,640
space Brothers but I don't think that an

1365
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,800
alien invasion you know people tend to

1366
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:31,440
go one extreme or the other and John

1367
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:33,720
kept a very clear mind about it and he

1368
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:36,420
saw that you know both angles of this

1369
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:40,559
and it was a a compassionate good person

1370
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:43,140
and he asked great questions and he

1371
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:47,339
listened it was a compassionate listener

1372
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:50,940
yeah he was a he's a Pioneer him Bud

1373
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:54,420
Hopkins and uh even uh Whitley our

1374
00:56:58,329 --> 00:56:56,280
Pioneers in the research of this

1375
00:57:02,109 --> 00:56:58,339
phenomenon you know and

1376
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:02,119
you teach uh a course about ufology

1377
00:57:06,049 --> 00:57:04,260
which is really great because we talk

1378
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:06,059
about it all the time how it should be a

1379
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:07,500
university course or something like that

1380
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:10,500
and actually teach that right and um so

1381
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,059
basically do you teach the foundations

1382
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:15,119
of ufology like from from beginning to

1383
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,160
end how much we know could you talk a

1384
00:57:21,849 --> 00:57:19,920
little bit about the course sure it's at

1385
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:21,859
Otis College of Art and Design

1386
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:24,960
uh a beautiful School uh they're they're

1387
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,280
uh complexes the old IBM uh complex so

1388
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,440
the buildings are very futuristically

1389
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:33,660
look like the old computer Punch Cards

1390
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:36,300
yeah right and and uh but it's

1391
00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:39,180
accredited uh class that I teach with uh

1392
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:43,319
Dr Heather Joseph Witham who's a uh she

1393
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:45,480
has a doctorate uh she's a folkloreist

1394
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:49,020
but she believes that the UFO is very

1395
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:52,980
very very real is do I so I teach the

1396
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,319
course with kind of an overview of all

1397
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,599
the high points of ufology from you know

1398
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:00,720
Dr heineck Project Blue Book Ancient

1399
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:04,380
Aliens type stuff uh historically and

1400
00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:06,059
then I also bring in the artistic

1401
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,339
elements I'll have Greg Bishop come and

1402
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:10,680
and speak to the class who's an artist

1403
00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:14,220
and who's uh he he's putting out the

1404
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:16,980
ufology tarot which is this beautiful

1405
00:58:22,609 --> 00:58:20,160
beautiful work of art that that is the

1406
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:22,619
history of ufology you know Whitley got

1407
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:25,319
a card he insisted on having the fool

1408
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,940
card

1409
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,280
um Jacque Valley is the magician the mid

1410
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:31,800
the Mage he's holding a telescope

1411
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:35,099
instead of a wand I just and that that's

1412
00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:36,900
the way that I teach it I try to make it

1413
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:39,240
relevant because it is an art college

1414
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,180
so they'll have written assignments but

1415
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:44,160
they'll also have you know they'll

1416
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,940
they'll turn in beautiful artwork

1417
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:50,640
um I think this is the fourth semester

1418
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,700
that we've taught that's coming up now

1419
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:55,440
they they just in fact it looks like

1420
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:57,240
we're going to be doing two semesters a

1421
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,420
year now before it was just one but it

1422
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:03,119
filled up the day that it the the day it

1423
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:05,640
was announced the class filled up

1424
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:09,000
so um anyway it's a new day in ufology

1425
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:10,740
when you get to teach an accredited

1426
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:13,799
course into college on this subject and

1427
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,720
I put my heart into it and all my

1428
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:18,319
knowledge and I give them my very best

1429
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:21,839
name redacted cases I'm not gonna you

1430
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:23,460
know yeah I'm very careful about

1431
00:59:28,910 --> 00:59:26,280
personal information of my Witnesses but

1432
00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:28,920
it's if if I could have taken that class

1433
00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:31,079
when I first got interested in this boy

1434
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,280
I wish I could have you know

1435
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,680
well said well thank you Earl we're

1436
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:39,839
gonna wrap it up here soon um I I thank

1437
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:41,339
you for your time here Louie do you have

1438
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:42,780
any final questions for us yeah Earl

1439
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,280
where can people find out more about you

1440
00:59:48,109 --> 00:59:46,559
if they want to study uh or learn about

1441
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:48,119
the phenomenon or just you know keep

1442
00:59:51,609 --> 00:59:49,500
track of what you're working on where

1443
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:51,619
can people find out more if you go to

1444
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:59,150
um go to the ERT page you can see my bio

1445
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,799
and information there

1446
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:04,559
um if any of this sounds familiar to you

1447
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:06,900
if you've seen a UFO or you've had

1448
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:09,240
contact face-to-face contact with

1449
01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:12,720
entities if you go to moveon.com you can

1450
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:15,780
click either report a UFO or report an

1451
01:00:20,329 --> 01:00:18,119
entity and if you live in the Southern

1452
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:20,339
California or the he you know the

1453
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:23,160
California region in general

1454
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:25,020
um I'll probably I'll probably be

1455
01:00:30,049 --> 01:00:27,000
assigned that case or I will assign it

1456
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,059
to one of my teammates uh same goes for

1457
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:32,400
a UFO if you see a light in the sky or

1458
01:00:37,150 --> 01:00:34,500
if you see a freaking Starship ship up

1459
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:37,160
there you know the Starship Enterprise

1460
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:40,020
you can go and report that and we will

1461
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:42,359
take you seriously uh scientific

1462
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:45,000
background of my teammates is wonderful

1463
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,880
but the compassion runs there's Perfect

1464
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:50,400
Balance you know my I make sure that my

1465
01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:53,339
teammates are all very compassionate not

1466
01:01:00,650 --> 01:00:56,520
judgmental and open-minded because every

1467
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:00,660
good UFO case has intentional absurdity

1468
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:03,420
in it and it's like a signature line and

1469
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:05,640
I think it's intentional and it's it's

1470
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,280
the way that our visitors think and the

1471
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,079
way that they want to present themselves

1472
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,720
so it could be the craziest case in the

1473
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,220
world I'm going to take you seriously

1474
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,260
because that's like the little autograph

1475
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:19,380
on the bottom of a Picasso

1476
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:20,819
um if you want to get a hold of me you

1477
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:22,680
can always email me at Earl Gray

1478
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:25,619
Anderson gray spelled with an E Earl

1479
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,260
grayanderson gmail.com or you can find

1480
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:31,440
me on Facebook or LinkedIn I'm on

1481
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:34,020
LinkedIn is Earl Gray Anderson and

1482
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:36,119
Facebook is Earl Gray

1483
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:37,980
awesome well we appreciate your time

1484
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:39,780
Earl it's uh great chatting with you we

1485
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,160
could have probably done another hour if

1486
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:44,160
we uh we just kept her going and uh so

1487
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,420
we'll turn it over to our viewers right

1488
01:01:48,829 --> 01:01:46,559
now let us know what you think of

1489
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:48,839
today's episode please like and if you

1490
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:50,220
haven't already subscribe to our Channel

1491
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:51,960
it does make a big difference and we do

1492
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:54,119
appreciate it and I can proudly say

1493
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:55,980
we're one of the few shows that respond

1494
01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:58,619
to everybody we have some angry fans

1495
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,599
that are like how come so and so from

1496
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:02,640
this show never messages me back but you

1497
01:02:06,829 --> 01:02:04,680
and Jason always do because me and Jason

1498
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:06,839
take pride in that and we will make sure

1499
01:02:11,289 --> 01:02:09,540
whatever you send us will reply so you

1500
01:02:13,789 --> 01:02:11,299
can check out our website as well UAP

1501
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,799
studiespodcast.com Earl Gray Anderson

1502
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:15,480
thank you brother love chatting with you

1503
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,240
thank you so much it was my pleasure you

1504
01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:19,920
guys yeah let's have you back on many

1505
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:21,980
times I think for sure

1506
01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:25,020
I'd love to you guys are great I had fun

1507
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:31,550
thank you